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Al-Farabi

Can you explain why it is incomplete. There are some scholar claimed Al-Farabi born in Otrar. During that time, Otrar was ruled by Kara-Khanid Khanate. What's wrong with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lijing1989 (talk • contribs) 13:19, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with the info itself. It's the way that you added it. Please see my edit summary and read the whole section of the article, then you'll understand. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I am a little confused. So what kind of addition you can accept. I just want to add there is an one suggestion that Farabi may be born in a city of Kara-Khanid Khanate Lijing1989 (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I mean just one theory or one suggestion and will not effect other suggestion by other scholars. Lijing1989 (talk) 13:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lijing1989: I've re-added it with some adjustments so it fits [1]. Though now that means we also need info on who ruled the other Farab, I guess I'll add it later. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Lijing1989 (talk) 13:31, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

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Sur page

Hi,

I made a change on the Sur (Pashtun tribe) page where it refers to it as belonging to the Kakar and changed it to Lodi. You undid the changes because of WP:PST.

Primary sources are described as "original materials that are close to an event". I'm sorry If I'm misunderstanding this but doesn't the Tarikh-i-Sher Shahi satisfy this requirement since it's the earliest historical work that provides information on the Sur tribe?

The book has also been already previously cited on the page.

Again, my apologies If I'm wrong about this.

Thanks Historyandshit (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi. That's what exactly makes the Tarikh-i-Sher Shahi a primary source. It should probably get removed from at least some of those articles as well. See also WP:SCHOLARSHIP. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I have added another source in place of the Tarikh-i-Sher Shahi. I have also removed the blockquote where the Tarikh-i-Sher Shahi is cited. Please review the changes to see if they are the acceptable. If not, you can undo them.

There were also many other sources mentioning the Sur as belonging to the Lodi/Bhittani confederacy (since it's the prevailing consensus) but I chose not to include them for the sake of simplicity.

Thanks Historyandshit (talk) 01:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is not an improvement either. The source you added is from 1911, not 2019 as you cited. It's not even written by academic historians (see also WP:AGE MATTERS). Moreover, even if your source was good, that doesn't justify removing the Lee source, which seems to be decent, considering it got republished by the University of Chicago [2]. If it is indeed prevailing consensus, then I am sure it should be easy to find at least one WP:RS for it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:43, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Map

Hello @HistoryofIran. How you doing? I noticed in Karabakh Khanate (congrats on the GA by the way) this map that seems to be made by you. What caught my eye was that the territory spanning from Ingushetia up to the Caspian Sea is showing as a single entity with the title "Chechen communities". This is wrong as it paints a picture that the people living on this vast territory were Chechens - why are Ingush and Kumyks not shown? Could you please fix this issue? Also, I would recommend changing the "Chechen communities" to simply "Chechens" and moving it little bit right; the title "Tarki Shamkhalate/Shamkhalate of Tarki" should be added to the map as well. I just don't know myself how to create/fix maps so I have to ask you to do this, as the creator of the map. Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 20:34, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, the map I made is based on Tsutsiev, Arthur (2014). Atlas of the Ethno-Political History of the Caucasus, page 2. it's not meant to show them as a single entity, and it shouldn't make that impression when it's called "Chechen communities". The Ingush are not shown because they were probably not relevant enough for the author (or the time period), as the main focus of his map was the fight over the Caucasian territories of the Safavids. "Minor Kumyk Principalites" are depicted in the authors map, but the map I have uploaded only covers half of that bit. I'll try to see if I can make space to add them. I accidentally left "Shamkhalate of Tarki" out, as it's indeed mentioned in the map of Tsutsiev. I'll add that as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:45, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Sasanian Asoristan

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sasanian_Asoristan_and_its_surroundings.svg

Hi HistoryofIran,

Thank you for your great work on Wikipedia and Commons.

I'm writing to ask you about the "Sasanian Asoristan" map. Could you be so kind as to tell me which sources you based it on? Are the geography and hydrography those of the Sasanian period? And finally, can you give me the scale of the map?

I'm working on French wikipedia on this article : Campagne de Julien en Perse

Thank you very much for your precious help, Suranné (talk) 13:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Suranné: Hi and thank you very much! The geography and hydrography is modern, as I took the base map from DEMIS World Map Server [3]. The rest of the map is an attempt at recreating Asoristan and its surroundings as it was under the Sasanians, only adding cities that existed back then. Unfortunately I can't remember which sources I used - I should have added it under the description back then, but I was probably too lazy. I don't know how scaling works either. Though if it helps alleviating at least some concerns, my map is also used in a Brill published book (page 133) [4], which I guess means that they considered it to be reliable/accurate enough. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Surena

Hi HistoryofIran

You reverted my edit, changing Mithridates III back to Mithridates IV. You say that Mithridates III died in 79/80 BC, but in fact he died in 53 BC. Several independent sources state this.

https://www.geni.com/people/Mithridates-III-king-of-Parthia/6000000005957446290 https://www.parthia.com/mithradates3.htm

Furthermore, both of these sources agree with my initial edit; that Mithridates III did in fact fight with Orodes II.

Please undo your edit. 2A02:ED0:6F49:DA00:1990:6F50:659:A86E (talk) 20:50, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Thats because those sites (which are not WP:RS) dont consider the disputed figure Mithridates III to have existed, hence why they give the regnal number III to the other Mithridates. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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Nader Shah's Religion Post Coronation

The article says that Nader Shah became a Ja'fari post coronation and also a Sunni. This is a complete oxymoron. The Ja'fari is a Shia school of thought. Nader was one, with Sunni sympathies who wanted Shia-Sunni unity Salman Cooper Mapping (talk) 13:13, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

This is clearly stated in the source [5] Salman Cooper Mapping (talk) 13:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Fair. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

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Why you delete my edits?

Hi HistorofIran why you deleting all my edits on wiki I try so hard and you delete all my edits, especially I don’t agree with you with the fact that you deleted my edit in the Imamkuli Khana Tama section, it’s perfect and the English there is not bad, but very good and proven Hjoka78 (talk) 15:38, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hjoka78. I'm sorry if it looks like I'm going after you; I'm not, you simply happen to edit the articles in my watchlist. Please read my edit summaries, everything is explained there. And I'm sorry, but the English was not good and one citation lacked a page while the other didn't even have a page. Again, please take some time to read our guidelines. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:40, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Arbitration Enforcement comment

Without this comment on BilledMammal's arbitration enforcement page, I never would have known about the sockpuppet investigation into me proposed by Grandmaster; it's coincidental, but it enables me to defend myself. I was not made aware of it or forewarned by Grandmaster or anyone else; your comment is the first I knew of it, and I ran into it completely by accident and at random. JM2023 (talk) 02:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Glad you saw it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 04:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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A question

Hello!

I am quite new in Wikipedia and don't know where, or to whom, I should pose my problem to. Do you know any Wikipedia Admin, who is acquainted with Islamic Studies, so I can post my request. Thank you. Fari Dark (talk) 15:11, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Fari Dark. Hmm that depends, what is your problem about? Is the problem specifically related to the article Islamic studies? If so, then I would suggest creating a talk page section there. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

If it's about the same topic as here [6], then Wikaviani gave you the same answer I would have. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Either I pose my request incorrectly, or he (Wikaviani) misunderstood. The argument is about the title of the "Source," and has nothing to do with the title of the article or Omar Khayyam name. Before my 1st edit 23:09, 20 September 2023‎ 178.131.145.206, and 2nd edit 06:37, 10 October 2023‎ IvanScrooge98, the title of the book is written correctly as "Seyyed Hossein Nasr and Mehdi Aminrazavi. An Anthology of Philosophy in Iran, Vol. 1: From Zoroaster to 'Umar Khayyam, I.B. Tauris in association with The Institute of Ismaili Studies, 2007," by two different contributors. I made a mistake and wrote it as "An Anthology of Philosophy in Persia. Volume 1: From Zoroaster to Omar Khayyam," and corrected my mistake, and this correction was reverted, I even posted the title page of the eBook, both, on Kansas Bear, and Wikaviani.

Thank you. Fari Dark (talk) 16:11, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand. The name of the book is "An Anthology of Philosophy in Persia, Vol. 1: From Zoroaster to Omar Khayyam", which is also the name used in the article, so what's the issue? HistoryofIran (talk) 16:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

The correct title is "From Zoroaster to 'Umar Khayyam." Fari Dark (talk) 16:23, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see "Umar Khayyam" is used in the cover, but not in the title itself [7] [8], that's interesting. I think it's currently fine as it is. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

It is in title, and not the cover only. But guess if no one cares, I shouldn't bother with it either. Fari Dark (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Get rid of other editors

Hi bro. It's gotten to the point where certain editors are trying to get rid of editors whom they already got rid of a long time ago. They're trying to doubly get rid of editors. For context, I already got permanently banned from editing in the topic area in February 2023, which caused me to go on an extended break from Wikipedia. Eight months later, there was an attempt to get me even further banned (presumably they want to ban me from the whole website now, not just from a single topic area), although I was innocent and hadn't actually done anything at that time. Thankfully, I have been let off the hook in the recent dispute. But this is getting quite ridiculous in my opinion. These people have already gotten rid of me a long time ago. What more could they possibly want? Jargo Nautilus (talk) 23:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry to hear that friend. HistoryofIran (talk) 03:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Creating new article

Feel free to give input, thoughts, edits, etc.[9] --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Nice. Will do! HistoryofIran (talk) 15:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation mess

Well, sorry for bothering you once again. Another editor restored my question on Wikipedia talk:NCROY which I had withdrawn. Then, we might as well discuss what Muhammad of Ghor and Ghiyath al-Din Muhammad should be titled. Since these two are Ghurid rulers, I guess they might be of more interest to you. As a note, the first is the successor of the latter, and since there was another Ghiyath al-Din Muhammad in history, the latter might be renamed to bear the disambiguatory suffix "of the Ghurids" or something similar. Then, "Muhammad of Ghor" for his successor doesn't exactly make sense. Here is the link to the discussion. Would really appreciate your participation. Aintabli (talk) 17:17, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Tsanars

Hello @HistoryofIran! How you doing? When you have time, please take a look at Tsanars and give your insight. I'm planning on soon nominating it for GA and it would be helpful if you could notice any mistakes or errors I might have made in the article, for instance, gave WP:UNDUE to a point of view in the "Ethnicity and localization" section. Copy editing would be also very much appreciated. Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I might take a look at it later. But from a first glance, it's in dire need of images. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

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Barlas Page reverted to the Previous Knowledge.

Dear @HistoryofIran, could you give me some explanation of where am I going wrong. Being part of the Barlas, it is my duty to provide more knowledge to the world about this clan which has very little history. Because of disastrously wars, the written tradition is damaged thus, only verbal tradition has survived but in my knowledge and being a blood of Barlas, I would provide more knowledge and information which could connect Barlas properly. Could provide instructions to me how could I fix it now?

Thank you,

Regards, Amaarshahr Amaarshahr (talk) 14:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi. You shouldn't cite sources that doesn't support the information you added. And the citations you add should always be WP:RS (please click the link and read its contents). It should also be properly cited (WP:VER, WP:CITE). HistoryofIran (talk) 14:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much @HistoryofIran. So sweet of your advice, As I am not a proper wikipedian editor, I would have added some useless citations. I was only supporting the ethnicity of Barlas as not mongols but as persians, as turks and as adnaanites.

Also, @HistoryofIran, I need help of yours to find me detailed and prospective information about the Barlas. Importantly, in modern days, Barlas have a history of producing two great empires in the whole world in the 14th to 18th century, by this perspective we should evade false information which were provided by English authors. As I prefer more to Persian & Arabic authors, they contain most of the information which was in previous version.

I humbly request you to only remove the useless information but not the revamped historical origins nor the multi ethnicity. If you had citations and sources related to the information whether it is provided by any author, so please cite it then. You may have more better knowledge than me.

Best regards,

Your Faithful Wikipedian Amaarshahr. Amaarshahr (talk) 15:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Mithridates II of Parthia

Do you think this article is ready to be assessed for GA? --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hmm.. I recall wanting to add some more stuff to the article, but I can't remember a single thing. Regardless, looking at it right now, I would say it's GA ready. HistoryofIran (talk) 03:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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Persia project

General Overview

Hello, this may have come incredibly out of the blue, and it is incredibly random, but recently I have been working on an overarching project to accurately (as accurate as possible) depict the various dynasties that came and went in the 500 year period between 1000 and 1500.

Request

That being said, I do seek assistance with said project, because as you might infer by my username, I am not from Iran, I am from Bulgaria. There have been very few people I can contact (usually by other means, I haven't resorted to Wikimedia/Wikipedia before) that can assist me with translating useful texts from Farsi into English, and in my search, I have found your maps and this specific user page, saying you are from Rasht (Gilan, Ruyan/Rustamdar and Mazandaran are areas I am currently concentrating my research on). I have previously made a video on the Khwarazmian Empire (uploaded on youtube) and my current project to do with Gilan and Rustamdar will depict the years between 1360 and 1500, while I have further videos currently on the backburner to do with things such as Ardalan and Aq Qoyunlu.

In short, I am looking for any potential help you yourself, or anyone you may know who is interested and is willing to dedicate enough time to help with the part of my research to do with translating texts, maps, or other useful media into English, and perhaps even making the research I do in its video form more available to interested people in Iran itself.

In addition, it would be helpful if there is a more direct means of communication that can be used with whoever, such as Discord.

Thanks for reading (it's a bit of a long message), please do let me know if there is anything you can do. :) Bulgarr (talk) 18:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Bulgarr, I am honored. While I can understand Persian, I unfortunately can't read its script. I unfortunately don't really have the passion nor time to such a large project either. However, if you're in need of certain academic sources, I may be of help. Unfortunately I don't think there is a place in Wikipedia dedicated to find people for such projects, so your best bet will probably be in writing directly to them, such as you've done here. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, are there by chance people you may be aware of, or directly in contact with that could potentially assist? I'm not entirely sure where I can look, considering I'm relatively new to Wikipedia as a whole. Do you have any pointers? Bulgarr (talk) 18:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately not friend. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Question

I think you have warned me but why? Tamerlank wasn't a sunni!! I don't know the law here so good, because Iam new. BUT I just wanted to fix a wrong information!!

I think you warned me, but why مجاهد 11 (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

You're saying that Shias aren't Muslim, a remark commonly used in Anti-Shi'ism. See Shia Islam. And you need a WP:RS to support your claims. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

and you are saying that he was sunni.

I wanted to edit it as he was Shia muslim or Nasiri.

Not that only, He followed the rules of genkis not the prophet so he wasn't a religious Shia even.

His actions were not acceptable for Shia islam or sunni Islam.

where did I say that Shia is not muslims? I never said something like this.

Please read about this man before saying that he was a muslim(sunni or Shia)

and claiming that he was a sunni is the thing that needs a proof!

Thank you for answering me. مجاهد 11 (talk) 18:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Kindly read the article, it's literally sourced that he was a Sunni, while you're yet to show a single source for your claims. Please take this to Talk:Timur. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

If you understand Arabic, I will bring you source from sunni muslim scholars and what timur did in Syria that makes him not a muslim!!!

And a Nasiri writer that said timur is Nasiri!

And you said that I said that Shia is not Muslim(I don't know where) !! But

Then you know that he is Shia Nasiri not sunni!!?

Anyway!! مجاهد 11 (talk) 07:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

As long as it's WP:RS and doesn't have WP:VER issues. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:05, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Jalal Talabani

Hello, I wish to learn where exactly I was adding "my own" commentary on Jalal Talabani? I was referring to him as a Kurdish politician rather than "Iraqi". Accuratehistoryofkurdistan (talk) 04:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

You reverted all my work because they are "contentious". You seem like you are interested particularly in Iran. Why enforce Iranian rhetoric on a Kurdish editor? Accuratehistoryofkurdistan (talk) 04:55, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

You should stop to attack other users on their alleged personal origins as you did before. Shadow4dark (talk) 05:09, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, removing mention of the countries they are from and replacing it with something that isn't a country is indeed contentious, and you will be reported for it if you continue, as well if you make another attack (1 out of 3 articles I reverted you in was Iran-related, the other were Iraq-related, making your accusation even more baseless). HistoryofIran (talk) 14:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Have a look

This user seems like a POV pusher. First they removed this image After I reverted [10], they added another image without Mahatma Gandhi, who is mentioned in the section pertaining to Bacha Khan. I think they might be having a Pro-Pakistan bias and against with Gandhi. They reverted your edits as well [11]. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Please have a look at this also. Seems like a sock/newb having some sort of POV. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

This guy is causing too much disruption. I wonder why the SPI is taking so long. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Yup. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Good articles

@HistoryofIran Hey, I wanted to ask if you know a good method of having a proposed good article be "quickly recognized to be reviewed" if you possibly know anything towards that?

You have a lot of nice nominated good articles so maybe you could provide some insight as I am still trying to have the page Sher Shah Suri nominated, and possibly for future reference. Noorullah (talk) 00:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Your article is quite long (in fact, I think it's longer than the largest article I have nominated) and thus it will take a lot longer to review, which I'm sure is discouraging a lot of people. It's also in a topic not many people are familiar with. Also, if I'm not mistaken, there are not that many reviewers either unfortunately (has been like that for years I think), which I think was why they not long ago made it so that your placement is based on the ratio of your GA reviews and GA nominated articles, to encourage people to make more reviews. Other than directly asking someone if they're interested, you will unfortunately have to wait. There have been a lot of cases where I've waited for months for my nominated article to get reviewed. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Btw, I just uploaded this, if it's of any use. Quality could be better [12]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I see, thanks for letting me know. And thanks for the colourized version, I'll probably make a gallery section for the page to include it. Noorullah (talk) 01:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I wouldn't say the article is actually that long, but it feels long. It's got a full lead, but I wouldn't cut that back much (although the "teacher of kings" epitaph and the "most skillful Afghan generals ever produced" should be integrated into the Legacy section). The second item that makes it feel long is the rather extensive ToC. This could be cut back a bit, as many subsections are just a few sentences. This might make a difference to the at-a-glance reviewer (as well as perhaps consolidating the flow of the prose), but as HistoryofIran notes these things unfortunately take time, and sometimes the more specialised the topic the more time it can take. CMD (talk) 02:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis @HistoryofIran

Thanks for your guys feedback on the page, I got it promoted to GA. Noorullah (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think that GA review wasn't very well done, and should have been done by someone with expertise. I can already point out two obvious things; Not all citations are cited the same way and "the Just King" shouldn't be in bold, because I doubt he is referred by WP:RS as "the Just King". HistoryofIran (talk) 18:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Pishdadians/Kayanians

Hi, I've noticed that you're a major and knowledgeable contributor around Iranian/Persian history and culture topics. Could I get your opinion on something I've been pondering? Last year I re-wrote the Pishdadian dynasty article (it was this). I've been wondering about the Kayanian dynasty article. It clearly needs re-writing too but as I was thinking about it, it looked to me that much of it would effectively duplicate the Pishdadian article (textual background, explanation etc) but with a different list of kings. Do you think it would be better to just merge the two articles? Interested in any thoughts you might have. DeCausa (talk) 23:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi DeCausa, thanks for your contribution to the article, it was much needed. Imho I think it would better if they were two separate articles, since they still were two different dynasties with their own (mythological) history and influences (their title was also interestingly adopted by historical dynasties). Fortunately, unlike the Pishdadians, Iranica has a lot of articles about the Kayanians, if it's of any help [13] HistoryofIran (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks very much. I'll start looking at it over the next month or so - any inputs you'd like to make gratefully received! It may be once the Kayanians are re-written there may be scope for there to be a parent article for the 2 dynasty articles to hang off. Also, thanks for all your contributions in what can sometimes be a difficult topic area. DeCausa (talk) 00:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

And thanks to you too, I'm honored! I'll keep a look, and see if I can suggest some sources that you might find valuable. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

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Battle of Gulnabad

Hey HoI, had you checked the page numbers of the Axworthy, Michael(2009). The Sword of Persia: Nader Shah, from tribal warrior to conquering tyrant source referenced in the infobox? I couldn't find anything on page 75 or 77 of Axworthy concerning troop numbers. Different edition of the book?--Kansas Bear (talk) 15:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Kansas Bear. I didn't, but now that you say it, I checked and couldn't find anything either about the number "20,000". In fact, this is what it says on page 47 (starts talking about the prelude of the battle from page 45); "The Afghans were many fewer than the Persians and after their losses at Kerman may have numbered as few as 11,000," And since Britannica is barely WP:RS and its citation doesn't even mention the battle as far as I can see, I guess it's safe to replace "20,000" with "11,000", thoughts? HistoryofIran (talk) 15:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good. Had the page numbers been changed? --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:55, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I noticed similar issues with citations from the same Axworthy book at Nader Shah (I think the vast majority, if not all, are corrected now), where the pages were completely different, and some cases the info slightly different as well. Either another edition or disruption that went through unnoticed I guess. I have changed the result now [14] HistoryofIran (talk) 16:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Request

Hello, I require your assistance. I understand that your knowledge of Iranian history surpasses mine. Currently, there is an edit dispute in the talk section of the article "Chandragupta II's campaign of Balkh." The disagreement revolves around confirming whether the Sassanids were the belligerents against the Guptas in this campaign. I have limitations in this historical area and would appreciate your involvement to help conclude the discussion. Thank you. Imperial^[AFCND] 09:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@ImperialAficionado: Hi. I don't have much time right now, so I'll check it later. I've made an SPI though Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jonharojjashi. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Title of Shirvanshah

I see that you were involved in the promotion of this article to GA, so I wanted to know your opinion on this. The opening sentence in the lead I think is WP:ISATERMFOR. Since the article is about the state and not the title, it would best read "Shirvanshahs were the rulers of Shirvan". But then, I guess the title of the article would have to be plural, i. e. "Shirvanshahs". If I'm correct on this, I will move the page. (I believe this would be a technical move and not warrant a full discussion and voting procedure.) Aintabli (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Well, technically it's about both the state and title, they're too closely intertwined to make a distinction. I don't mind using "Shirvanshahs" as the article name and slightly changing the lede to fit that. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thank you, I have made the appropriate changes in the article and posted a requested move. Aintabli (talk) 00:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Makula family has been nominated for deletion

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Kurdistan infobox

Hey, since you've been involved in editing the infobox at Kurdistan, I wanted to get your opinion on my edit from August which was subsequently reverted[15]. I have some issues with some of the parameters of the current infobox like "Stateless nation" which is about Kurds and not Kurdistan, and the "demonym(s)" parameter since it excludes everyone but Kurds. Any thoughts? Having some consensus on the infobox would be great to prevent back and forth editing. Semsûrî (talk) 23:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I agree, using "Stateless nation" and "demonym(s)" feels off. A more detailed map than the current one would be nice as well. HistoryofIran (talk) 02:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Safavid queens consort

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Suspecting meatpuppetry

Hello, I've posted a comment regarding the recurrence of planned meatpuppetry in the archived discussion. It appears to be on the rise, with a new user named User:Agniveer099 editing the articles 'Chandragupta II's Campaign of Balkh' and 'Draft:Gajapati invasion of Bidar.' Additionally, another new user, User:Al khawarizmi.313, has been created. Remarkably, both accounts have edited in support of User:Sudsahab, previously associated with the account User:Umarrizwan.ansari. Notably, Al khawarizmi.313 restored Sudsahab's revision in Maratha invasions of Bengal, while Agniveer099 removed comments from the Draft article created by Sudsahab. What's intriguing is that both these users joined Wikipedia just a few hours ago! Imperial^[AFCND] 13:00, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Another brand new user; User:Malik10001. Joined few minutes ago. Imperial^[AFCND] 13:05, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Another user to note is User:Woason. While I'm not casting suspicion on every newly created user, it's perplexing that they all follow a similar pattern and seem to align with a common objective. Additionally, I'm surprised by how these recently created users gain access to draft articles, especially ones that are newly created.Imperial^[AFCND] 13:13, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I've never seen so many new users appearing at the same time editing the same articles, I'll see what I can do, not sure if it's time for WP:ANI. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

All of them aren't editing the same article, yet their editing patterns imply a shared objective. Considering that all of them are newly created, suspicions are increasing. Imperial^[AFCND] 13:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's WP:ANI time, I'll create a thread. If you have more evidence, please post it here so I can include it in my ANI report. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Like you said at the sockpuppet investigation of Jonharojjashi, the user who changed account (Umarrizwan.ansari and Sudsahab) also adds "Decisive" often on the battle articles they created. It is evident from the revisions [16], [17] and [18]. Imperial^[AFCND] 14:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. It's going to take a bit of time to make the report due to so many users involved, I'll see if I can get it done today. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:51, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I found a new thing too. A user, who have a history of editing Kalinga related articles have randomly came and started defending Sudsahab in the article Draft:Gajapati invasion of Bidar. Imperial^[AFCND] 05:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I've come across a significant lead. Upon reviewing conversation between User:Shakib ul Hassan and User:Magadhan3933, I discovered an Instagram page named "@manik.edits_" After examining the profile and following list, it became apparent that there's a sizable group on Instagram engaged in historical debates. I suspect they might have coordinated efforts through Instagram groups, posing a potential challenge. This isn't a minor issue; I've identified thousands of such accounts using offensive language to describe individuals. I encourage you to investigate for a better understanding of the gravity of the situation. Their disputes predominantly revolve around religion, ethnicity, country, and regions, suggesting that merely addressing socks and meatpuppets may not suffice. They could recruit individuals passionate about promoting their historical backgrounds without hindrance.

Additionally, while scrutinizing one of the articles recently created (Siege of Etawah (1770)) by User:Sudsahab, I observed it relies on WP:SYNTH. Despite requesting him to quote the specific parts used, he consistently failed to do so. This raises suspicions about source manipulation in their articles.

Surprisingly, the reviewers aren't thoroughly checking articles during AFC submissions, and these editors have now begun creating articles directly in the mainspace. User:Asilvering previously advised against inventing names for battles not mentioned by historians. However, these editors persist in creating articles such as the Battle of "X" on a regular basis. I used to do so myself, but following Asilvering's guidance, I've refrained from creating articles merely based on the location of an event.Imperial^[AFCND] 10:47, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, I did make a ANI report, just not a big one. I'll put the big one on hold for now. Something is definitely off, and I'll keep watch. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:58, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, HistoryofIran!

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HistoryofIran,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Hi Mann Mann, thank you very much and likewise. Hope everything is well. HistoryofIran (talk) 04:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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Azerbaijani nationalism problem

The problem editing continued on the article Azerbaijani nationalism, I reported Aruturo Van Kaigan Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Aruturo Van Kaigan reported by User:TimothyBlue (Result: ).

I mentioned that I think this editor is NOTHERE, didn't want to speak for you, but if you have an opinion...

Greetings from Los Angeles,  // Timothy :: talk  09:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, you pretty much mentioned everything I would have said, appreciate it. HistoryofIran (talk) 10:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

New additions to the Battle of Karnal

Hello HistoryofIran, its once again a pleasure to talk to you. I couldn't help but notice that there have been recent edits made to the Battle of Karnal regarding someone called "Balkishan", this has been done a by a user who's recently written an article on the very same topic, however the user has only provided two sources. The problem arises that one of those sources is in Hindi and the other one is written by an independent writer and cannot be considered WP:RS. I'm currently looking to find more information on this topic, and don't seem to be making much progress, but just wanted to clarify if these edits could be removed due to the questionable information added along with it that does not seem to have reliable sources Salman Cooper Mapping (talk) 15:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Salman Cooper Mapping, thanks and likewise. Is the edit I just reverted what you're referring to? It looked strangely written (copy-pasted?) and used questionable citations [19] HistoryofIran (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, that was the one. I've searched for any considerable and reliable sources regarding this but nothing was to be found, thanks for the revert. Salman Cooper Mapping (talk) 16:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Why you delete my work!

You have added an opinion that exists in Arab history. What right do you have to remove it? Mohannd062 (talk) 22:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Please read my edit summary. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bahram Mirza

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Socking

@HistoryofIran You can check this user

Historianfox [20] seems to be a new sock of User:Pentapotamianist and PakistanHistorian as you're an expert to judge behavior similarities about this sock network.? They both made edits at Gurjar clans and the new sock moved the page to the wrong title because all the list linked to Gurjar clans is only talked about clans, not any tribes, so I don't know why he moved without any discussion.? If you have spare time, please keep an eye on this sock. Also see this Scheditia sock both seemed to be one person and must be Sock of PakistanHistorian there edits are mostly about Punjabi or similar languages and removing or adding some text on Gurjar related pages, making and redirecting of Gurjar related pages without any discussion.103.249.115.223 (talk) 01:54, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I don't think Historianfox has any connection here based on their edits (also, if they did they would likely have been caught in the Checkuser in the recent SPIs of PakistanHistorian). But the other user did tingle my spidersenses, I've filed an SPI [21]. Thanks for the help. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:58, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran, But user name Historianfox is also pretty similar; it will become clearer in the coming days. Thank you, by the way, for your prompt response.103.249.115.223 (talk) 03:18, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran, Kindly Open a SPI and examine the behavior analysis because []Uzer:LingoSouthAsia]] is undoubtedly a sock of Blocked master User:Muhafiz-e-Pakistan even few months ago another sock (User:Cyber.Eyes.2005) of Muhafiz-e-Pakistan was blocked these sockfarms have large interest in topics like Hindko language, Punjabi language, Seraiki language, Balti people, Shina people, Dardic language, Pahari language etc. here is the link for examine their sock activities.103.191.122.141 (talk) 02:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I just checked the EIA and compared the diffs, but I don't think they're the same person, due to the pretty big difference between their English skills and personality. They just happen to share an interest in some articles, nothing unusual (and Muhafiz-e-Pakistan was interested in a wider range of topics). HistoryofIran (talk) 02:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bahram Mirza

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Regarding Kalhor (tribe)

Hi! I saw you reverted Kurdishtribes at Kalhor (tribe). They've removed references and made edits to the article, and I don't know enough about the subject to deem their contributions constructive or not. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 01:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Just saw after refreshing the page that you reverted it. After checking some new pages, though, it seems they've created the page Talk:Kalhure (tribe). Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 01:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I find their edits a bit bizarre. "Kalhure" is not even remotely close to WP:COMMON NAME and doesn't even sound like a English transliteration (sounds German), and they randomly altered sourced info and even a direct quote. They didn't even bother to use capital letter in some instances either. I've redirected Talk:Kalhure (tribe), thanks! HistoryofIran (talk) 02:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I've opened up a Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Blndg4 on the group of editors there. Are they potentially related to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Syntaktis123? Saw that pop up when reviewing page history for anything further back. Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 02:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't think it's Syntaktis123, their focus was more or less only on certain Iranian and Iraqi cities in the Kurdistan region. And the majority of the times they socked was just to spite other editors. HistoryofIran (talk) 02:41, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Reply

I hope to help you on your issues see my reply on ANI. Have a good day. LingoSouthAsia (talk) 10:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)